By far the biggest bug bear for us both (and Stephen in particular) is the points system, army lists and force characteristics which are quite simply broken (I appreciate the lists etc on line are only generic starter/sample lists) Prussians had numerous advantageous characteristics (bit like those in Black Powder) compared to French (such as ability to pass morale tests with extra die rolls, ability to counter attack in melee with extra die rolls etc) and yet the French costs more in points. Also the French force list is very restrictive compared to all other nationalities and indeed those online contradict the book examples (book has French Brigades with 4 units of Foot but lists only allow 3 per Brigade). In our test I fielded some 15 units versus Stephens 9 and had he have been attacking it would have been farcical especially as his units inherently inferior in many ways. For instance a French Brigade of 3 foot units cost 420 points whereas the equivalent 3 unit basic Prussian Brigade was a mere 270pts and a battery of 4 Heavy Guns was 10pts cheaper for Prussians and yet no difference in stats/capabilities (in fact Prussians guns could be split into 2 gun units). Also basic confusion/errors such as units of Prussian Cuirassier Brigade is given points for being on table support as well as (cheaper) off table Reserve status and yet army lists only allow them as Reserve. Not a biggy as such but annoying.
All in all I enjoyed the game rules but not sure they are sufficiently better than Lasalle or Field Of Battle to draw us back to them certainly not with army lists as currently supplied.
iPhone pics (of set up) as yet again I forgot camera !
French deployed
Prussian left wing
Prussian Infantry Regiment on right
French defend the village
And the central hill
Prussian guns ready for artillery duel
Prussian Landwehr in center
Prussian left wing again
Nice photos, the rules did sound good at first, how can the Prussians work out better than the French? Just doesn't make any sense!
ReplyDeleteWere the list specific to 1813? In that case, quality of Prussian units probably would be better than the French, at least early in the year. Maybe the author is trying to say something about the availability of troops rather than a strict value based approach? Of course, if that is the case, some explanatory notes would seem appropriate!
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For the free PDFs covering force lists and national characteristics which do indeed seem to be for 1812+ but not actually specified.
I think these are only sample 'get an army on the table' lists but they do seem to penalise the French overall.
Thanks for evaluation report. Looks like I'll save some money and stay with LaSalle for the moment.
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Christopher
Thanks for the report. I've just orderd them. :0( Hope they relook at the points system.
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